gentlemen, good to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> woodruff: so mark, the fiscal cliff, it's still with us. it's still out there. the president made a last minute statement late this afternoon. where does everything stand? >> nobody knows, judy. what happened last night in the republican caucus is precedent shattering. i mean it really is. that john boehner could not get a majority of his own caucus to support what had become the republican position, endorsed not simply by him but by republican whip kevin mccar three an republican majority leader eric cantor. and it's a real problem. i think it puts at risk boehner's own leadership and his ability to deliver republicans. it weakens the bargaining position for republicans in the final negotiations. but i don't know how much closer we are because i think it strengthens the liberals in the democratic caucus, which is going to make it tougher for the republicans to accept it. because a weakened republican means a strengthened emboldened democratic liberal group. and i just think that there are too many moving parts at this p